Reading the law, I don’t think it is a yellow card offence - as far as I’m concerned Veltman has already taken the kick - the ball is dead and he plays it with his foot. Unless you argue the “retaken unless the advantage can be applied”? In which case maybe Rice’s second - conscious - touch is in a quick free kick situation and therefore deemed to be obstructing a kick. But by this point the ball is some yards from the offence. And in any case the subsequent sentence suggests that the ball is now in play. The sending off is down to the fact that the referee did not have a good view of events and is plainly guessing. The main point I get from this is that Veltman got away with violent conduct. Had a player at my local small sides game conducted themselves in the same way it would’ve instigated an all in brawl.
I mean, I think the yellow card was a bad decision, but IMO the legit argument is on 1) consistency given Joao Pedro and Milner (38th minute I think?) weren't carded for delays, and that Veltman doesn't appear to be attempting to restart play, but to get Rice carded.
The ball was played argument is pedantic and IMO sounds like a terrible precedent to set. Do you think Gabi should have been sent off vs. Bayern on the goal kick handball? Cuz your argument says he should have been.
There are three reasons why the free kick isn't valid. There's one reason to give Rice a card. There's one reason to send Veltman off. But we're never going to get that decision going our way.
I will say that if the ref had given Rice a second yellow and Veltman a red, I would have felt it completely fair. If the ref had given Rice a second yellow and Veltman a yellow, I'd be mad but understand. But second yellow for Rice on a minor technicality and absolutely no punishment for Veltman? PGMOL aren't beating the matchfixing allegations anytime soon.
Rice has to walk away from that ball in a yellow. He knows exactly what he's doing and it was a risk never worth taking. A bone headed play and he creditably took accountability after the game. Inconsistent by the ref, yes. But Declan has to be more aware of the game situation. He will learn and grow from this.
I find this statement kind of ridiculous, to be honest. His first yellow was 100% deserved. But (can you tell I've said this 10+ times this week?) in the first half Joao Pedro punts the ball away before we can throw it in. NOTHING. Players pay attention to that shit, and they take note for what they can and can't do. You cannot sit here and tell me that what he did was more egregious than Pedro's action.
From Law 13: "if an opponent is closer to the ball than the required distance, the kick is retaken unless the advantage can be applied; if a player takes a free kick quickly and an opponent who is less than 9.15 m (10 yds) from the ball intercepts it, the referee allows play to continue."
That is to say, if Veltman is taking the free kick quickly, then he has no one but himself to blame that Rice deflects the ball. If the ref is allowing Veltman to take the kick quickly from that spot, then Rice did not delay the kick, because it happened! If the ref thinks that the free kick isn't valid, then he should have blown and indicated that Veltman should retake.
On top of all of that, that is a borderline red for Veltman kicking into Rice. I'm enjoying how literally no one is spending any time talking about that, instead choosing to discuss why Rice was stupid for existing near Veltman.
Rice will learn absolutely nothing from this, because this decision was a complete farce. The fact that he felt he had to apologize is fucking mental. I understand why he did it, because he's a good lad, but if he allocates even 1% of the blame to his actions then he's wrong.
Reading the law, I don’t think it is a yellow card offence - as far as I’m concerned Veltman has already taken the kick - the ball is dead and he plays it with his foot. Unless you argue the “retaken unless the advantage can be applied”? In which case maybe Rice’s second - conscious - touch is in a quick free kick situation and therefore deemed to be obstructing a kick. But by this point the ball is some yards from the offence. And in any case the subsequent sentence suggests that the ball is now in play. The sending off is down to the fact that the referee did not have a good view of events and is plainly guessing. The main point I get from this is that Veltman got away with violent conduct. Had a player at my local small sides game conducted themselves in the same way it would’ve instigated an all in brawl.
I mean, I think the yellow card was a bad decision, but IMO the legit argument is on 1) consistency given Joao Pedro and Milner (38th minute I think?) weren't carded for delays, and that Veltman doesn't appear to be attempting to restart play, but to get Rice carded.
The ball was played argument is pedantic and IMO sounds like a terrible precedent to set. Do you think Gabi should have been sent off vs. Bayern on the goal kick handball? Cuz your argument says he should have been.
There are three reasons why the free kick isn't valid. There's one reason to give Rice a card. There's one reason to send Veltman off. But we're never going to get that decision going our way.
I will say that if the ref had given Rice a second yellow and Veltman a red, I would have felt it completely fair. If the ref had given Rice a second yellow and Veltman a yellow, I'd be mad but understand. But second yellow for Rice on a minor technicality and absolutely no punishment for Veltman? PGMOL aren't beating the matchfixing allegations anytime soon.
Rice has to walk away from that ball in a yellow. He knows exactly what he's doing and it was a risk never worth taking. A bone headed play and he creditably took accountability after the game. Inconsistent by the ref, yes. But Declan has to be more aware of the game situation. He will learn and grow from this.
I find this statement kind of ridiculous, to be honest. His first yellow was 100% deserved. But (can you tell I've said this 10+ times this week?) in the first half Joao Pedro punts the ball away before we can throw it in. NOTHING. Players pay attention to that shit, and they take note for what they can and can't do. You cannot sit here and tell me that what he did was more egregious than Pedro's action.
From Law 13: "if an opponent is closer to the ball than the required distance, the kick is retaken unless the advantage can be applied; if a player takes a free kick quickly and an opponent who is less than 9.15 m (10 yds) from the ball intercepts it, the referee allows play to continue."
That is to say, if Veltman is taking the free kick quickly, then he has no one but himself to blame that Rice deflects the ball. If the ref is allowing Veltman to take the kick quickly from that spot, then Rice did not delay the kick, because it happened! If the ref thinks that the free kick isn't valid, then he should have blown and indicated that Veltman should retake.
On top of all of that, that is a borderline red for Veltman kicking into Rice. I'm enjoying how literally no one is spending any time talking about that, instead choosing to discuss why Rice was stupid for existing near Veltman.
Rice will learn absolutely nothing from this, because this decision was a complete farce. The fact that he felt he had to apologize is fucking mental. I understand why he did it, because he's a good lad, but if he allocates even 1% of the blame to his actions then he's wrong.